Life’s coincidences, both large and small, never cease to amaze me. Seriously, that may sound like a very cool made-up statement, but it’s true for me. I always seem to be running into people I was just thinking about or hearing from people I was just talking about. Even when writing my books, one connection always seems to lead to another - and a lot of times that connection was someone already on my “wish list” to be interviewed for the book. What a coincidence…
That’s happened with both my comedy books, (How To Be A Working Comic and Comedy FAQs And Answers), but most notably with The Beatles In Cleveland.
When I was working on that book in 2004, I posted a story on my website about the opening acts for the Fab’s 1966 tour. They were The Remains, The Cyrkle, The Ronettes and Bobby Hebb. I just couldn’t figure out how to get in touch with any of them for the book. And if I had a choice, the first request would be to Bobby Hebb. He had a MAJOR No. 1 hit that summer with Sunny and his performance – next to The Beatles – is the one I remembered most.
So, you know what’s coming – right? What a coincidence…
Seems as if it was only within days I heard from music producer and writer Joe Viglione in Boston. He had a close friendship and working relationship with Bobby Hebb and asked if I’d like to interview him for the book. Are you kidding me?? Of course – and I did.
Now for a sad coincidence…
August 14, 2010 was the 44th anniversary of the Cleveland Beatles concert that inspired my book. The date has become special to me, almost like a birthday since it was my first concert and a personal connection with The Fab Four. August 14th carries a lot of memories for me.
But this year it was different. I found an article online that very day by Joe Viglione that Bobby Hebb had passed away. He actually left us on August 3rd but I missed the news. I emailed Joe and he sent me a couple articles about Bobby’s life and passing.
I only spoke with Bobby twice – and both times on the phone. It was only supposed to be a one time interview for my book The Beatles In Cleveland, but I’m a self-professed “techno duh” and after we hung up, I realized my trusty tape recorder hadn’t been recording. I called him back; he laughed and graciously did the entire interview with me again. I’ve never forgotten that. Believe it or not, (and this is meant to be sarcasm), there are celebrities that are “star struck” and make you feel lucky for whatever time they give you. Not Bobby Hebb, (and this is meant to be the truth). From my experience and judging the feelings of good will and good humor during our conversations, he was one of the good ones.
Bobby is best known for his No. 1 single Sunny during summer of the Beatles final tour in 1966. But he should never be grouped with any one-hit wonders. He had a career that lasted almost all of his 72 years, (was a performer at 3 years old), and was known for writing a song every day since the age of 14. He finished over 1,000 of them.
I could go on about Bobby Hebb’s career and accomplishments, but I have something else in mind. So for all his biographical information and awards, just Google Bobby’s name and start reading. It’ll take you awhile.
What I want to share here is my connection with Bobby Hebb. It’s the interview we did for The Beatles In Cleveland. This is the entire conversation and not the edited version that appears in the book. It’s Bobby talking about performing and that special summer of 1966 when he toured with The Beatles. I’m sure you’ll enjoy it.
THE AUGUST 1966 CONCERT WITH THE BEATLES IN CLEVELAND. WHAT DO YOU REMEMBER?
(laughs)
YOU WERE WEARING THE DARK SUIT…
Okay… It was a rainy night. Sam Davis, he was the A&R man, Audio and Recording man, for Mercury Records at that time. This was the gentleman… He and his daughter, I had promised to get seats for him on the tour. And they got a chance to see the show. They did not get a chance to meet The Beatles. But it was a fun thing there.
YOU SAID EARLIER THEY WERE IN A SAFE PLACE.
Oh yes. They were in a safe place. They were right up front, but they still didn’t get hurt when the kids ran out on the field in Cleveland.
OBVIOUSLY THEY STAYED IN THEIR SEATS.
Well, I hope so. She was there with her father. (laughs)
YOU SAID YOU TOOK THREE SUITS WITH YOU ON THAT TOUR. THREE DIFFERENT STAGE OUTFITS?
Give and take… I do remember a black one, a white one and possibly blue. Oh I know! I had a yellow jacket and I had a brown – a heavier – sport coat, which is on exhibit right now at The Hall of Fame in Nashville.
I REMEMBER YOU DRESSED IN BLACK AT THE CLEVELAND SHOW. AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A LEATHER JACKET, BUT MAYBE I WAS SITTING TOO FAR AWAY.
Well, I do remember having a black outfit. I still wear a lot of black.
SO WHAT WAS IT LIKE TO BE ON THAT STAGE IN FRONT OF ALL THOSE PEOPLE?
That was a wonderful feeling. That was more people… I would think maybe even more than I’ve ever performed in front of in my whole, entire life.
WERE YOU TOO FAR AWAY TO SEE THE CROWD WITH ALL THE LIGHTS? WHAT WAS YOUR VISION LIKE?
Oh yes, I remember the crowd. Because the way I perform is that I have to look directly over the heads of the crowds.
THIS WAS AN OUTSIDE STADIUM. BARRY TASHIAN, (OF THE REMAINS), SAID HE WAS ABOUT 125 FEET AWAY FROM THE AUDIENCE.
Oh yes… I could see something. I can see from a distance. I can’t see close up! (laughs)
EVEN BACK THEN?
Even though I wear glasses, I still can’t see close up. So I put on another pair of glasses AND those glasses. Bifocals! (laughs)
EACH ACT HAD ABOUT TWENTY MINUTES ON STAGE?
That could have been. About twenty minutes each. I don’t know if we had that long, but it could’ve been. Twenty minutes sounds normal.
SUNNY WAS SOMETIME TOWARD THE END OF YOUR SET.
The end of the show?
YEAH. THE END OF YOUR SET.
At the end of the show, we were talking… It was in San Francisco. I added a song. I did, I Left My Heart In San Francisco. And I just played guitar only on that, because I didn’t have time to rehearse that with the band.
BUT YOU SAID IN THE OTHER SHOWS – INCLUDING CLEVELAND – YOU OPENED WITH BREAD…
I think I opened up with Bread. And of course I did Sunny, but I can’t remember what the middle songs would’ve been.
I REMEMBER SUNNY BEING TOWARDS THE END OF THE SET. AND I REMEMBER PEOPLE SINGING ALONG BECAUSE WE KNEW IT SO WELL. HERE WAS THE BIG SUMMER TOUR WITH THE BEATLES – BUT YOU HAD THE NO.1 SONG IN THE COUNTRY…
Yes, it was No.1. That was a very fortunate thing.
SO THE AUDIENCES ALL KNEW YOU.
Yes.
DID THE BEATLES EVER SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE SONG SUNNY?
Oh yes! The congratulated me and they liked the song. As a matter of fact, I recall all of them talking about that. That was the one thing that, when we first met, that was the first thing that they mentioned, that it was a great song and they liked it.
YOU’VE MENTIONED THAT YOU TALKED WITH PAUL MORE THAN THE OTHERS, CORRECT?
Well… I talked more to Ringo. I talked to Paul about photography. But I spoke to Ringo, because Ringo wanted me to do some work with them on piano.
BUT YOU RECOMMENDED SOMEBODY ELSE.
Yes, I recommended Billy Preston.
HOW DID YOU FIND BILLY PRESTON?
Well, I heard Billy play his version of Sunny. And I thought that he was a good musician and a fine performer.
AND BILLY PRESTON WENT ON TO BE ALMOST THE FIFTH BEATLE.
Oh yes, yes, yes, yes. He did very well. He did a good job.
SO YOU MENTIONED TO ME THAT YOU THOUGHT RINGO WAS MORE LIKE THE BUSINESS MAN.
Correct.
AND HOW DID YOU PICK UP ON THAT?
By watching. Observing.
JOHN LENNON WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE DECISION MAKER IN THE BEATLES…
Well, Ringo would kind’a ‘scout’ things. And discuss things with the other fellas.
MANY YEARS LATER, GEORGE SENT YOU AN EMAIL.
Yes. I sent him an email saying happy birthday and he returned an email. I wish I had… I lost all of that in my palm pilot, because I could have… I should have kept that. I saved the message…
YOU MET JOHN AND YOKO.
Right. At a BMI Award dinner in Manhattan.
WHAT DID YOU TALK ABOUT? DID YOU MENTION THE TOUR AT ALL?
No, no, no, no. We talked about current things, actually. We were talking about… It was just very small, because you know; you don’t have much time to talk. But we talked about current material. That’s the basic things that we were doing and he was apologizing that he hadn’t gotten in touch with me to say hello. He had forgotten all about me. But I can understand that. You get busy, man, and you get involved into a project. And even when you get a minor break from that project, you try to take care of the current things that are in front of you.
IT WAS THAT COLD, RAINY NIGHT DURING THE 1966 CLEVELAND CONCERT. WE TALKED ABOUT THE FANS RUSHING THE STAGE. IT WAS THE FIRST OUTDOOR SHOW OF THAT TOUR. THE KIDS RUSHED THE STAGE. I CALLED IT A RIOT, BUT YOU DIDN’T REALLY CALL IT THAT.
No. I didn’t. I couldn’t see that as a riot. I thought it was just a form of excitement and one that had just reached a certain ultimate at that particular moment. And I don’t think the break during the concert was bad or anything like that…
DO YOU REMEMBER SEEING THE KIDS RUSH ACROSS THE FIELD TO THE STAGE? DID YOU SEE THAT?
Yes, I recall that.
DO YOU RECALL WHERE YOU WERE?
I was not in the area, so wherever the dressing room was, that’s where I was.
WHAT WENT THROUGH YOUR MIND? WERE YOU AFRAID FOR THEIR SAFETY?
Well, someone asked me to look. And I guess it was probably a member of The Cyrkle. I headed toward that way, but security stopped me and wouldn’t allow it. So therefore, I became, you know, obedient so that we could continue doing whatever we were trying to do.
DID YOU TALK TO THE BEATLES ABOUT IT AFTERWARDS? WAS IT MENTIONED AT ALL?
No. I listened.
NOT EVEN ON THE PLANE AFTERWARDS? THE NEXT DAY OR ANYTHING?
No… I found out a long time ago that I learned more by just listening. You know, seriously. Because what happens is I stopped listening once and I started making “B’s” in class. I stopped talking and just kept listening and I made “A’s.”
THAT’S A GOOD THEORY! WHAT WAS IT LIKE ON THAT AIRPLANE?
We played games. Like the game shows they had on television. The Ronettes came up with quite a few of them. Password was one of them. I couldn’t tell’ya how the game went at this moment. I seriously couldn’t! (laughs)
DID THE BEATLES EVER PLAY ANY OF THESE GAMES WITH YOU?
No.
THEY WERE WHERE?
Well, if The Beatles weren’t talking about different things they were nodding. Getting a little rest.
YOU SAID THEY SAT TOGETHER AS A TEAM.
Correct.
DID THEY GET UP AND DOWN THE AISLES AT ALL AND SOCIALIZE?
Oh yeah!
WHO WAS THE FRIENDLIEST ONE DO YOU THINK?
The friendliest?
YEAH.
Ringo.
I’VE HEARD THAT FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE. WAS GEORGE REALLY THE QUIET ONE?
George and John were quiet. Paul and Ringo were more active.
WHAT ABOUT THE FANS. WAS IT CRAZY THE WHOLE TOUR? WERE YOU PRETTY WELL ISOLATED? ANY MEMORIES OR THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT?
Well, we kind’a stuck together.
YOU DID?
Yeah. We were a good team. We became like a family type of thing. You know, we ate the same thing… The Beatles had the same thing that we had. And we had our choice of what we wanted to drink.
YOU SAID YOU HAD SOME GOOD FOOD AND GOOD DRINK, RIGHT?
Yes. And in those days I really didn’t care for champagne. All I wanted was Jack Daniels. I don’t drink now. In those days, that’s what I wanted. Jack Daniels.
ANY FINAL THOUGHTS FOR THIS BOOK?
Well, on the plane coming from Los Angeles to San Francisco, Joan Baez rode with us. And in the dressing room we were just jokingly singing a duet together that was called Carameabeing.
I’M NOT FAMILIAR…
Caro Mioben. It’s Italian and from an opera.
SHOWS YOU HOW MUCH I KNOW ABOUT OPERA!
(laughs)
THAT SOUNDS LIKE QUITE AN EXPERIENCE. OH I DID WRITE IN MY NOTES THAT YOU REMINDED ME MORE OF JAMES BROWN THAN THE TEMPTATIONS.
Oh, thank you!
YOU LIKE THAT ONE?
Yes. Thank you very much. I know both of them. I knew the original Temptations. You know, when David (Ruffin) was there. I don’t know the other guy.
THE GUY AFTER HIM.
Yeah. I did not know the guy after David. Because when I met them, David was there. As a matter of fact, David had broken his arm some place. But David wasn’t on that tour.
THEY WEREN’T ON THAT BEATLES TOUR.
No.
YOU HAD THE RONETTES AND THE CYRKLE.
Right. But I toured also with The Temptations. That’s why I knew The Temptations.
YOU HAD REAL ENERGY. I REMEMBER YOU BEING ALL OVER THAT STAGE. AM I CORRECT ON THAT?
Well, thank you. I always feel at home on stage.
YOU WORKED THE AUDIENCE AND PUT ON A GREAT SHOW. CONGRATULATIONS ON EVERYTHING YOU’VE DONE AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP WITH THIS BOOK.
Thank you very much and have a good one. Ciao.
Bobby Hebb: July 26, 1938 – August 3, 2010
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Dave Schwensen is the author of The Beatles In Cleveland. For more information about the book visit www.BeatlesInCleveland.com. For information about Dave’s live presentation, Beatlemania on the Northcoast, visit www.BeatlemaniaOnTheNorthcoast.com.
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